NatSec Nightcap with Josh Rogin

Our Hardest Test: Navigating U.S. China Relations in a New Administration


Thanks for joining us for an exciting conversation featuring:

  • Josh Rogin, Journalist, Washington Post, and Political Analyst, CNN
  • Jamil N. Jaffer, Founder and Executive Director, National Security Institute


Josh Rogin joined us to share his insight on all things U.S. and China, including why he thinks China is America’s hardest foreign policy problem. Josh also talked about his book, “Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century,” which explores the conflict over China policy in the Trump White House and the state of our two countries’ interdependence.



Speaker Bios: 

Josh Rogin is a Washington Post foreign policy columnist and a political analyst with CNN. Previously, he has covered foreign policy and national security for Bloomberg View, Newsweek, The Daily Beast, Foreign Policy magazine, Congressional Quarterly, Federal Computer Week magazine, and Japan’s Asahi Shimbun.  He was a 2011 finalist for the Livingston Award for Young Journalists and the 2011 recipient of the Interaction Award for Excellence in International Reporting.  Josh holds a BA in international affairs from the George Washington University and studied at Sophia University in Tokyo, Japan. He lives in Washington, DC. He is also the author of his newest book, Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century. 


Jamil N. Jaffer is the Founder and Executive Director of the National Security Institute, and an Assistant Professor of Law and Director of the National Security Law & Policy Program at the Antonin Scalia Law School at George Mason University.  Jamil is also Senior Vice President for Strategy, Partnerships & Corporate Development at IronNet Cybersecurity, a technology products startup founded by Gen (ret.) Keith B. Alexander, the former Director of the National Security Agency and Founding Commander of U.S. Cyber Command.  In addition, Jamil is an advisor to Beacon Global Strategies, a strategic advisory firm; 4iQ, a deep and dark web intelligence startup; Duco, a technology platform startup that connects corporations with geopolitical and international business experts; and Amber, a digital authentication and verification startup.

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